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Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. We have our phone lines open for you at 1-800-684-3110. President Trump right now is also meeting with the Iraqi Prime Minister at the White House. So if there's anything worth note, we have a team watching that. We'll break in if we need to. My brother Jordan is joining us from Washington D.C. First, we got to say and let him know in the chat, happy birthday. Welcome.
Jordan Sekulow: Thank you. Thank you much. We won't disclose age because after walking around Capitol Hill with some of the meetings this morning, when you're talking to the younger and you used to be the younger guys on the hill working, you realize a different different point of life. You're not staffer age anymore, we can say that.
Jordan Sekulow: No, that's definitely not staffer age and I was just talking to one of our attorneys, not not junior attorneys anymore.
Will Haigns: There we go. Jordan, you're on Capitol Hill. We're actually talking about today as well the security that the Supreme Court justices Elena Kagan and Amy Coney Barrett are actually testifying before the Supreme Court today for security increase. And I think it's pertinent to talk about this. You're there. We've seen the security threats even against the those Antifa members, the terrorist members that were arrested, that were trying to attack the UFC event. We've seen security for our nation's capital and every branch of government be something that's heightened, a heightened threat. You're there in D.C. We know that the crime rate in D.C. has actually gotten under control in a way that we haven't seen in decades there, but the threat to our institutions seems like it's at an all-time high. And I want to give you a moment to speak about this, even as we see this unusual, it doesn't happen often, last time was 2019, that justices go before the Appropriations Committee asking for in this case, more money to keep them safe.
Jordan Sekulow: Yeah, I was actually in a meeting with Senator Haggerty's, who's on this broadcast a lot, but his chief of staff and a couple of staffers and it caught the quarter of my eye because I saw Elena Kagan, Justice Kagan testifying, and I was like, these are not this is not like replaying a video, unless we're talking about a judicial nomination, I I somehow happened this crazy last 48 hours. And you you look it, it's very rare to see, because again, you don't have the court broadcasting any kind of back and forth ever before when it comes to the visuals, you get the audio. But it's also interesting to see them on the other side of the the room if you will, sitting back down, you know, having to answer questions instead of being the person who does ask questions. I know Senator Haggerty is going to have an opportunity this afternoon as well to to be a part of that questioning. And I think there's a lot of bipartisan support. I'll you know, our office is behind the US Supreme Court and right cater corner to the first Senate office building in Russell in Russell. And so there's already a lot of security right here. Because this is the street, justices or their vehicles come down to park. And so now, anytime that the court is in session at all, which means the justices are there, this street is blocked for vehicles. We can walk, you can walk down the street, but there are the armed guys come out, not just with handguns, but also sometimes you'll see machine guns, big presence when they know there's a big case either being argued or that is possibly the decision's coming out. And so on a regular basis, you've got right now, which has been about two blocks or two and a half block radius, is now expanding down Second Street. So if you were to take a right out of our office, it it used to kind of stop right at that intersection for for folks who may have seen our office before in D.C. where at that cater corner, it now goes for you guys, for who I know have been there a lot, Logan and Will. It now goes blocks further. So and and so I think that tells us right there that what could be done quickly enough because of the amount of security threats the court is facing. And I think that you're hearing that today from again, the justices, and when we talk about the wise use of of resources, and the intimidation tactics, we want to make sure justices of the US Supreme Court feel safe, that they can't be intimidated by groups for either ideological reasons or just because they happen to be a Supreme Court justice. And we live in an age where even though, guys, you know, you don't see much of this visual, you'll see sometimes them doing lectures and things like that, but not this kind of a visual. We're living in a day and age where you can't hide behind the building anymore. And so with that being said, I think again, I kind of in Washington and where we are and what we do, as long as it's smart and it's things that have already shown in the past to work, that it's a good place to invest resources. Not just because our office is right here, not just for the justices, but for all of the American people who visit Washington D.C. and our nation's capital. Maybe they do it once or twice in their, you know, in their life to feel like they are safe when they are taking tours and going to the most important places that our federal government is associated with. So it's not just for the justices, it's for all that staff. You know, they've got people that behind us, they've got a parking lot, and you people are working 24/7. These are huge government buildings. So from everybody down to the janitor on up to the justice themself, you want them to be safe, and then you also want law enforcement on the hill, the Capitol Hill police, to be able to focus on their job, which is different than the Supreme Court police's job. They work together, but they have a a different again, a different client if you will, where they're focused on protecting. So, yes, I mean, it is serious in Washington. You guys have seen the talk about the what's happening potentially in front of the White House. That's something that can also probably be more temporary, but that they're just non-stop threats. I think that's as far as I can go with communication I've had, but the threats do not stop, and out of just, you know, maybe it doesn't mean that they're all credible, but we've seen in the past, there are that there are people that will act or try to act against these justices.
Will Haigns: Jordan, I think one of the other issues here, and this is something we're going to get on later in the broadcast, and I know you've got meetings you're about to head back out to. We're grateful you could hop in, literally, and thanks to our team to get everything in our studio in D.C. turned on real quick, have Jordan in, but here's another issue, and this is what I see as the broader issue. These threats, I think, are the the unfortunate symptoms of what is happening at a broader level in our country. We saw first the in 2016 and then 2020, the way that the left said, President Trump is an illegitimate president. So they delegitimize the executive. And what do we see? We see violent threats. We see people that feel like the only thing they can do is use violence to try and stop the the executive. We saw then through the Supreme Court, illegitimate court, pack the court. You see that symptom again. You see them having these threats against the members of the court. Now what we're hearing, and we're going to get into this more, Jordan, the DSA, who has all these candidates that are now going to be in Congress, because they've won in safe blue seats, their primaries. They're calling to abolish the Senate. And I know you were meeting with senators, but they think it's an illegitimate thing, because of the very reason the founders created the Senate. Yeah, the entire Senate, all 100 seats, every state. The concept of having equal representation from states based off not just a direct population representation like the House. They want to get rid of it. So obviously, very difficult if constitutional at all to amend it out. But that's their goal. And I'm not as concerned about them getting rid of it on paper, as much as the threat to the very people that you're having meetings with because they're delegitimizing now the third branch of government in the legislative branch. Jordan, it's shocking and also dangerous.
Jordan Sekulow: I I would love to know if if Bernie Sanders is a self-hating socialist enough that he would support getting rid of his his really, I think the only job he's had, which is in politics as elected official. Maybe some part-time work as a professor when he was much younger. But you know, again, Will, it is rhetoric, right? It comes down to the idea of they've been demonized. The left was really, they took that that mantle on. On the right, we would we would disagree with decisions by justices and by the Supreme Court, but we'd never made it personal and or call these calls for violence and again to to make it difficult for the police to do their job of just trying to keep people safe. And so again, the the whirlwind that we've you know, with Senator Schumer and I think it just reminds us all that the the rhetoric that has been being used in Washington that is most dangerous emanates from the left and as you said, Will, it's the radical left and they are being normalized by becoming members of Congress in the House of Representatives. And so their rhetoric is becoming normalized. So I am glad to see Justice Kagan there as well to to make it clear to everyone that this is not some partisan move, while at the same time understanding that much of the rhetoric is coming out of the left, especially the rhetoric that takes it past just I fundamentally disagree. And then of course, this this abolish the Senate. I mean, the Constitution can be amended, but but here's the thing. And it's interesting for those socialists, what the Senate does is to make sure that states with smaller populations still have full representation in Congress because they're not going to get that in the House. And so they've got to work together, the House and the Senate. But really that's so that they are representing all of us equally.
Logan Sekulow: All right. Well, thank you, Jordan, for joining us. I know you got a lot of work to do. We appreciate it. Phone lines are open. Happy birthday. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. Let's hear from you about this. Also, we are right smack in the middle of our ACLJ Liberty Drive. Be a part of it today. Have your donation doubled at ACLJ.org. Do that right now. ACLJ.org scan the QR code you see on the screen. Whatever it is, all donations of any kind are doubled right now. They're matched by incredible ACLJ supporters and champions. We're going to take your phone calls when we get back. 1-800-684-3110.
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Vocal Intro (Male): We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are the words of our forefathers written in the Declaration of Independence. They are the cornerstone on which our constitutional republic was built. And over the past 250 years, we have formed a great nation. A nation the world has looked to for guidance, for support, and for protection. This month, we celebrate our liberty, but that liberty is fragile and requires every American to defend it. That's why this month we've launched the ACLJ Liberty Drive. In honor of America's birthday, we're redoubling our commitment to continue fighting against any attacks that would strip us of that freedom. We owe it to our forefathers. You can join the fight right now through our ACLJ Liberty Drive. Go to ACLJ.org/liberty today and have your tax-deductible gift doubled. Dollar for dollar to enable the ACLJ to fight to defend our God-given liberties.
Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. Our phone lines are open. We have a lot of calls coming in. 1-800-684-3110. Of course, talking about the security and safety of the Supreme Court justices as they were testifying today to try to get the budget up due to ongoing threats. And we can kind of trace back. I mean, look, Supreme Court justices in modern day have always been a little bit of celebrities. We obviously in the 80s and the 90s, there were people that we all knew of. We knew their at least their names, their faces, but maybe they weren't as regularly a part of the mainstream media or maybe they weren't targets of attacks. They were maybe targets within their own political parties or if you watched CNN, if you watched the news, you knew about these people. The difference was, and a lot of it, you know, goes back to the Dobbs decision, we can flash back to even someone like Senator Schumer, who started to inflame the rhetoric. We know this has been an issue with the right and the left over the last decade or so, where it beyond politics, it's started to become very personal. And like Jordan said, if you live in a modern day, if you live in a modern society where finding out where someone lives is not exactly the hardest thing in the world, especially when those people are public figures and Supreme Court justices. And you have Supreme Court justices like Amy Coney Barrett or Brett Kavanaugh or whoever it may be, who have come under real threats from people who are crazy, who have been inflamed by their political leaders. So let's flash back before we take this call. Let's flash back to Senator Schumer back when the Dobbs decision was leaked.
Senator Schumer: I want to tell you, Gorsuch. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.
Logan Sekulow: Again, threatening the Supreme Court justices from our elected officials. We have some calls coming in about that. I want to go to Martin in North Carolina, who's an ACLJ champion, someone that gives on a monthly basis automatically, membership, which is great. And I always like to give them, you know, first by the Apple here. They're always able to get on the air quicker. Martin, go ahead.
Martin: Thank you, sir. Glad that you're all at the helm and you hit on it. Jordan hit on it too. It's a two-phase thing that I'm going to touch on. Exactly what you just said, I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech. And I'm glad we have it. But like you just said, Jordan, uh, Logan, is that it becomes inflammatory. And I would really, I don't know how to do it. Like to see some sort of way of holding these things in check. It's almost treasonous with that kind of rhetoric, with the leaks that are going on with the Dobbs decision. Schumer and Comey leaking and even this last week and a half, two weeks, the leak that came through the news media about the assassination tap. Something there's got to be something to hold people accountable, so that we can move on and do things decent and in order, as they say, and not have these inflaming arguments and and rhetoric and things of that nature, continue to weigh fan the flames to do like you said, the crazy people out there that are going to do stuff.
Logan Sekulow: Martin, you can hear real, and I hate to say this, you can hear real fear in the voices of the Supreme Court justices who are out there testifying for Congress asking for more money for their security to be raised. Let's hear, this is bite two. Let's hear from Amy Coney Barrett, again, talking about something that's just happened to her in the last few weeks.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett: It's also been reported in the news that roughly six weeks ago, I was the victim of a swatting incident. At at that point, my teenage son, one of my teenage sons, opened the door to go out with friends and saw in our street. It was full of police cars, who had responded to a false report of gunshots and raised voices in my home. I was very, very grateful that I had Supreme Court police outside my home because they were able to stop and meet with and explain to the county police that it had been a false alarm. And so the police did not actually attempt to enter our home.
Logan Sekulow: Understand that in many occasions, and this has happened directly, by the way, to people again, sitting in this room, where you have people who feel justified in making your life miserable because they disagree with maybe your political point of view, or maybe it's a little bit different because they're the ones who are they are deciding the law of the land here. And if you have political leaders saying unleash the whirlwind, we are going to go after you, you're not going to know what's going to hit you. Yeah, Senator Schumer may be living in a old school mentality going, well, I don't mean physically and that's not what I meant by there, but we don't live in that world anymore. We live in a world where every word is scrutinized, where everything is justified. And sadly, we have now seen that rhetoric raise up, not just to a Supreme Court justice, but we've seen it across the board, not even just for political opponents or people there in the political sphere. Basically, if you're willing to have a voice, you have to be willing to take real security, you know, protocol because your life may be at risk.
Will Haigns: Well, and once again, I think the the positioning of this before the Congress today. It was Elena Kagan, an Obama appointee, and Justice Barrett, a Trump appointee. It was it was two different justices from two different eras. It also, Elena Kagan opened her remarks talking about the Senator, Senator Graham, who just passed away because of how he engaged with with talking to someone that he didn't agree with. And and that's one of the things he caught flack for was he would interview, he was on the Judiciary Committee, actually was the chairman of the Judiciary Committee at the time of his passing, but he would get flack for voting for nominees that were judges from the other side. And she pointed out, she goes, it's rare these days. He used to be justices got 100 or 99 votes to to sail through. What she was trying to point out is that, one, disarm the committee a little bit and say, hey, we're here. Obviously, it's a Republican led committee at this time. And they were there for a specific reason. Now, people, there was one congressman from Wisconsin that was trying to make it about the shadow docket. They're asking for security and they're obviously they have their prerogative and they can do what they want with their time, especially when they don't get to speak to the justices very often. But trying to in some ways, use the rhetoric that people have been using to delegitimize the court itself by saying, you you took a lot of things on the shadow docket. You made a lot of these decisions to which Justice Barrett said, yeah, we're we're the court. If it comes before us, when we're out of session and it's a stay grant request, we have to dispose of it. We have to do either grant or not. That's how that works. But they even in their questioning, when they're talking about security for their families and themselves, there were Democrats trying to go after something that has been a Democrat talking point and a media talking point this entire year. I also, to to Martin's point, the the rhetoric of Chuck Schumer was very bad. But it's not only isolated to people on the left. I mean, even the dehumanizing language that we see when people say demon rats or or these these cute names or or they're all demons. That's a dehumanizing thing. Now, we may disagree with and a lot of their policies may be anti-human or evil and the way that they are so pro-choice, those things. But it doesn't mean that you strip their humanity or them being created in the image of God from them and try to find a way to work towards a more perfect union.
Logan Sekulow: When we get back, I want to actually play the bite that Justice Kagan spoke about Senator Graham because again, maybe that little glimmer of hope that we can get back to that kind of place. And again, the fact that we were talking about who is uniting us, it feels like the most unlikely case. Sadly, it would have been the passing of Lindsey Graham. Someone who was very controversial and very polarizing for a lot of people. But what you've been able to see is that it was old school Washington D.C. and the way that he worked with people and actually could get things done. Then we need to get back to that. Speaking of getting things done, it is our Liberty Drive. Be a part of the ACLJ team today at ACLJ.org. Scan that QR code. We'll be back in just a minute, less than a minute break here. If you lose us on your local station, find us on ACLJ.org or wherever you get your podcasts. We're live 12:00 to 1:00 PM Eastern time each and every day. We'll be right back.
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